H.P. Lovecraft: Rationalist, Mystic

Horror writer and man of letters H.P. Lovecraft made much of his stoic materialism, as do many of his fans, including his chief biographer, S.T. Joshi.  It is always comforting to share a life view with writers one admires, so it is not unnatural that so many Lovecraft followers find in him a champion of their own reductionist materialism.

However, Lovecraft was not an entirely happy materialist.  In his letters he affirms that the negation of the scientific, natural law he defends elsewhere is really his only reason for writing.  It brings him a certain satisfaction, and in his own words expresses his sense of cosmic revolt.  On the one hand, Lovecraft is intellectually a skeptic; on the other, his skepticism chafes – to the extent he must do something about it – namely, write “weird tales,” cosmic and supernatural horror stories.  Of course, no human being is a gray, uniform creature:  all of us are at the same time a universe and a multiverse.  Lovecraft was no exception.  What he was in his rational function is counterbalanced by what he was in his emotional and poetic character.  His mind was rationalistic, his soul mystic.

HPL was always something of a nature mystic.  This is affirmed not only in his letters.  It is embedded in his literature.  The central passages of The Whisperer in Darkness, The Colour Out of Space and The Dunwich Horror entire are unthinkable without Lovecraft’s loving description of New England hills, farms, mountains and woods, its dark brooks that never see the glint of sunlight, its swollen trees flourishing in wild forest belts.  Here his cosmic stoicism gives way to unabashed affection and a celebration of primal mystery.  If the world was not made for man, it can with some probity be said, rural New England was made for Lovecraft.

This is not all.  On rare occasions, HPL, like a Taoist (or even Camus on a good day) seemed to sense a meaning hidden in things.  Like many mystics, he cannot name what it is, but it fascinates, lures, tantalizes.

I cannot tell why some things hold for me

A sense of unplumbed marvels to befall,

Or of a rift in the horizon’s wall

Opening to worlds where only gods can be.

There is a breathless, vague expectancy..

It is in sunsets and strange city spires,

Old villages and woods and misty downs,

South winds, the sea, low hills, and lighted towns,

Old gardens, half-heard songs, and the moon’s fires.

But though its lure alone makes life worth living,

None gains or guesses what it hints at giving.


There is in certain ancient things a grace

Of some dim essence – more than form or weight;

A tenuous aether, indeterminate,

Yet linked with all the laws of time and space.

A faint, veiled sign of continuities…

Of locked dimensions harbouring years gone by,

And out of reach except for hidden keys.

It moves me most when slanting sunbeams glow

On old farm buildings set against a hill,

And paint with life the shapes which linger still

From centuries less a dream than this we know.

In that strange light I feel I am not far

From the fixt mass whose sides the ages are.

With Lovecraft, we too might wonder at the veiled Mystery, forever established, eon-encircled… and about what hidden keys might open it to us.  The rift in the horizon beckons.

[Quotations from Lovecraft, H.P., Fungi from Yuggoth & Other Poems, Ballantine Books, NY: 1971, pp. 137-138.]


13 thoughts on “H.P. Lovecraft: Rationalist, Mystic

  1. Daniel Jung


    I enjoyed your article really much.

    You´re right that Lovecraft wasn´t all the time a 100% materialistic atheist.

    In one biography is described that Lovecraft had thoughts of suicide when his mother died and like you said we are human beings with feelings and emotions and not robots.

    Lovecraft was no exception.

    I think Lovecraft´s personal philosophy, Cosmicism, is not very helpful to deal with the world and other people.

    It´s a strange philosophy that even Lovecraft could not fulfill.

    Another flaw about Cosmicism that it says that good, evil and morality not exist.

    I wonder what Lovecraft had thought about the horrors that Nazi-Germany had committedand and the brave people which helped Jews and other victims (Bonhoeffer, Sophie Scholl, Feldwebel Anton Schmidt), if he not got cancer.

    Lovecraft´s stories are very good but that doesn´t mean to accept his worldview.

    And when I´m not wrong Lovecraft wasn`t a big fan of mainstream stories (good vs. evil etc.), what is from my viewpoint a little bit arrogant.

    I don´t read thrillers or crime stories but that doesn´t mean I have to look down on this genre.

    Lovecraft is (maybe) the most popular horror writer but his view on some peope and objects wasn´t not very fair or well-balanced.

    What do you think ?


  2. rennyo01 Post author

    Daniel, thanks for your comments. Yeah, HPL could be a little faux-aristocratic in his views of other genres, except of course for science writing, so in that way he was not well-balanced. And I agree that no one, even the most stoic, can really live up to Cosmicism, because it makes the ultimate value a non-sentient universe that is so inhuman that identifying with it is very corrosive to humanity. The only other alternative is to rebel against it, which HPL acknowledged that he was doing with his weird tales – but all the while also acknowledging that this rebellion could only be imaginal/imaginary, since human beings cannot change the vast grinding of the mindless cycles of force that make up the cosmos – so even revolt, like every other human idea and effort, is just one more exercise in futility. At least that’s how I see HPL and his Cosmicism. Thanks again for your comments.

  3. Daniel Jung

    Thanks for your answer.

    I had a lot of things to do.

    That´s the reason why I´m answering now.

    There was a time when I thought Lovecraft was the greatest horror writer of all time but now I think there are many other authors in the genre who created intense, phantastic and weird stories:
    For example THE CHILD from L. A. Lewis and in my opinion a very hauntig, horrifying short story.
    Algernon Blackwood (The Willows, The Centaur) is one of these authors who are overlapped by Lovecraft´s work.

    You mentioned S. T. Joshi and I have read two of his books in german (Moderne Horrorautoren Bd. 1/2).
    First I enjoyed reading the books but then I discovered that Joshi is in some parts very arrogant.
    For example:
    He writes that cemeteries are useless (?) (It`s not a joke, I swear.).
    Then he tears every author who believes in the supernatural / writes good vs. evil stories (Blatty/King) in little shreds while he praises Shirley Jackson (The Lottery/Haunting of Hill House).
    I´m not against Shirley Jackson but some part of me thinks that S. T. Joshi is a jerk (sometimes).
    Than he writes that no one can match his knowledge about weird literature (If that`s true I´m okay with that but he writes it like the-rest-of-you-are-fools-and-I´m-superior-in-this-literarure-genre).

    I´m a big fan of anime/manga and the most popular deal in some way with the good vs. evil theme (Naruto, One Piece etc.).

    And I can´t imagine that Joshi would be watching / reading and enjoying (!!!) these mangas or animes because he is so attracted to Lovecraft´s worldview (you know mechanistic materialism) that he (maybe) has the opinion that books, movies or comics which are not about tentacle-gods-terrorizing-the-bacteria-called-human-beings are garbage/naive and not worth reading.

    And I can`t imagine Joshi watching movies like Nightmare on Elm Street 1 – 5, Sorority House Massacre, the Friday the 13th movies, an BBC interview with the Dalai Lama or reading a book from Dean R. Koontz / a Batman comic.

    Joshi is maybe the greatest living expert about Lovecraft and phantastic literature but that doesn´t mean I have to treat him like the godfather of phantastic literature.

    I think Joshi is in some way an elitist person (and sometimes a jerk).

    Lovecraft´s work is great but I don´t want to share his opinion about the world/humanity/the universe.

    I wonder what Lovecraft would have thought about the Second World War/Nazi Germany because he thought concepts like good and evil were useless.

    What do you think ?

  4. rennyo01 Post author

    Hey, Daniel – thanks for dropping in and sharing your insightful comments. I agree on Joshi – he’s an aggressive personality type and breaks out in hives – as you mention – over horror that has good vs. evil themes – which themes, of course, occupy a central place in the horror genre. Joshi wants his Weird Story to be simply Weird, with no mere human ethical considerations to “mess it up”.

    That’s one reason why his review of Blatty’s Exorcist novel was, in my view, a triumph of prejudice. Blatty’s book, of course, IS a presentation of good vs. evil (as well as a supernatural detective story). But more than the ethical question, Joshi is bothered by Blatty’s claim that The Exorcist is also a work of the apostolate, which in Catholic-ese means carrying the Gospel out into the world. This drives Joshi nuts. Instead of viewing the story as a clever suggestion that if we deny God because of all the world’s evils, still we must account for all the good in the world, and so maybe God could enter in through the back door. Joshi thinks Blatty was giving readers a heavy-handed theological lecture or worse yet, a sermon. Joshi is just too sensitive. If you can call “sensitive” a man who publicly proclaims, “I’m here to kick religion’s ass!”

    Which makes me think of his book, “God’s Defenders – and Why They are Wrong”. I was expecting a sharp, objective, and informed volume – based of course on the quality of his Lovecraftian scholarship. I was sadly mistaken. I just don’t think he “gets” the God Question – like so many other “new atheists”, Joshi thinks that if he can shoot down the notion of God as an Abrahamic Creator-Deity, he has therefore “disproved” God. He is at his very worst in the chapter where he attempts to wreck the theological construct, panentheism – which really tipped his hand, for the simple reason that panentheism is one of the most reasonable and unassailable God-categories around. But Joshi attempts to dismiss it with almost childish criticisms and whining. A big Fail for an otherwise impeccable thinker.

    Worse, Joshi gets to have his cake and eat it too. A year or so ago in the Holiday season, he and some cronies made a You Tube video, part of which featured Joshi singing a traditional Christmas carol. Not only that, at that time he belonged to a chorale which sang sacred music. He gets to have the aesthetics of spirituality, but with none of the meaning or practice.

    Once again, thanks for your comments, and I agree with your assessment of Joshi. Recently I haven’t seen much of him on You Tube. He got married last year and moved to Seattle. Maybe his new domestic life is keeping him closer to home than in former times!

  5. rennyo01 Post author

    P.S. – I neglected your question on the Nazi issue. I think that HPL would have been horrified at the outcome, had he lived to see the end of the War. I don’t know if that would have been a strong enough impetus to change his writing to include “merely human” ethical questions. The closest thing to a “real bad guy” is probably Wizard Whateley because while Wilbur and his invisible twin do evil things, they can’t help it because they are direct products of the Lovecraftian Other(s). But Wizard is simply bad because he doesn’t care about his neighbors, whether they be ruralites or the entire human population – he sees it as a great idea that the Old Ones “clear off earth beings” and drag the planet away to some transcosmic realm…. Another real baddie is the “other wizard” who “possessed” Asenath and Edward in “The Thing on the Doorstep” – this guy is a total fiend. Perhaps HPL would have continued to write such tales, but would now include a last minute Hitchockian comeuppance for such characters…something to think about.

  6. Daniel Jung


    thanks for your answer.

    I´m sorry that I just now response to your message but I had a lot stuff going on.

    There is something about Lovecraft and Horrormovies what I find very interesting.

    We have a lot of movies based on his work:
    Re-animator (3 movies)
    Dagon (Brian Yuzna)
    In the Mouth of Madness
    From Beyond
    The Dunwich Horror
    The Witch House (Masters of Horror)
    and a lot of short films

    What I think is in some way strange:
    Why there a no Cinema / TV-movies based on Algernon Blackwood writings.

    I would Blackwoods work call mystical horror because its mostly about the other side which has its own rules and
    people who pass the border between our and this other supernatural world and don´t follow this rules have to pay.

    Why there is no movie based on The Willows (Lovecraft called these story from Blackwood one of the most intense horror stories ever written) or The Centaur (this book was released some time ago in Germany and I bought it immediately).

    The Willows would made a great horrormovie (directed by John Carpenter) and The Centaur could become in the hands of Darren Aronofsky a masterpiece.

    Don´t get me wrong. Blackwood has many fans today, I´m sure.

    But why is Lovecraft so much popular than other authors from the past ?

    Not that Lovecrafts work doesn´t deserve the attention but there are so many other great works in the genre.
    For example E. A. Poes The System of Doctor Tarr and Professor Fether (movie: Stonehearst asylum / Have you seen it ?) or Mr. Lovedays little Walk by Evelyn Waugh.

    Another point: Old Folk Tales and fairy tales deal mostly are about very gruesome things: Dragons, Oger, Trolls, Satan, Villains, murder, torture etc.

    The original collected fairy tales from the Brothers Grimm are far away from the versions in today children books.

    I´ve read altough your post about the Loch Ness monster and I have found a new interesting book about Nessie:
    Patrick J. Gallagher: Loch Ness: From Out of the Depths: Original Newspaper Accounts of the Rise of the Loch Ness Monster – 1933-1934 (July 2015)

    Poets have been mysteriously silent on the subject of cheese.
    G. K. Chesterton

  7. rennyo01 Post author

    Thanks for your reply. … I really don’t know why HPL caught on and Blackwood (and others) did not. I frankly hadn’t even thought about it. Maybe HPL’s writing lends itself more easily to visual representation? But if so, why so? His pantheon is largely indescribable, although of course, he does flesh out Cthulhu, the Deep Ones, and the ghouls in Pickman pretty well. Maybe he grabs the unconscious dreads particularly aptly? I first read HPL when I was fourteen and a devout young Catholic, and he gripped me very strongly, hitting deep roots of…something, I know not what! If an atheist/materialist/reductionist like HPL can Wow a pious Catholic youth AND fellow atheists like Joshi – that really says something about the Master’s universality, and it may be his very universality that explains the films (?) … Thanks for reading my Nessie stuff, and thanks for recommending “Out of the Depths” – it looks like a documentary, rather than a New Age, approach. … Yes, I would love to see Carpenter do an interpretation of The Willows…it would be very creepy, I’m pretty sure about that.
    Thanks again for writing – nice to hear from you!.

  8. Daniel Jung


    thanks for your quick answer.

    Another point about Lovecraft which I think is interesting that he acted sometimes a very little bit jerkish.

    A good example is the book Raymond, Or Life and Death by Oliver Lodge, a British physicist (1851-1940).

    Lodge was a member of the Ghost Club and the Society for Psychical Research.

    He was also a Christian Spiritualist and identified electromagnetic radiation independent of Hertz’ proof and at his 1894 Royal Institution lectures (“The Work of Hertz and Some of His Successors”).

    Lodge demonstrated an early radio wave detector he named the “coherer”. In 1898 he was awarded the “syntonic” (or tuning) patent by the United States Patent Office.

    After Lodges youngest son Raymond Lodge was killed in WW 1 Lodge contacted several mediums and wrote Raymond, Or Life and Death.

    The book was criticised among other things it claimed that when soldiers died in World War I they had smoked cigars and received whisky in the spirit world.

    Lovecraft about Lodge and his book:
    I am interested in Mr. Co’s researches concerning the occult and the supernatural; particularly so since I have encountered several reviews of poor Oliver Lodge’s book “Raymond”—a work which I confess I have not perused at first hand. It may be well to state that Sir Oliver, as well as Sir William Crookes, have received little faith since they turned their attention to [the] fallacy-ridden realm of the supernatural. Their speculations in this direction may well be taken as evidences of freakishness—and in Sir William’s case, of senility; since he is now eighty-five years of age.

    It is Lodge, however, who is under consideration, and he cannot plead old age, since he was born in 1851. Of his reported phenomena, and of other cases of a like nature, it is safest to say that insufficient evidence throws them out of court. Disturbed mentality, auto-suggestion, and deliberate charlatanry will be found at the base of most alleged spiritualistic and telepathic manifestations. They most generally occur amongst the ignorant, or amongst those who ardently wish to have them occur.

    To be fair and as far I know Lovecrafts private writings were never meant to be published for publicity.

    As you said earlier there are a lot of materialists and Atheists which agree with Lovecrafts (sometimes) disturbing world view.

    But Lovecraft acted somtimes like a fundamental Christian.
    In one biography about him I read that he tried during conservations to convert August Derleth to his worldview.

    And another point is about August Derleth who changed Lovecrafts universe in a little more hopeful way and his presentation of Lovecraft’s fiction as having an overall pattern reflecting his own Christian world view.

    And some critics act about this like Derleth tried to butcher Lovecraft personally with an axe.
    Okay, maybe not that much but it´s strange when today some atheists make all fun about Christanity, Judaism and Buddhism in every way possible but freak out when someone (for example) makes fun about James Randie.

    I don´t say that some atheists couldn´t make fun religion because we have democracy in the USA and Europe.

    But for me it looks people sometimes choose things like money, popularity, Hollywoodstars or people like Richard Dawkins to adore them and then go nuts when these things go wrong in some way.

    The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all.
    G. K. Chesterton

  9. rennyo01 Post author

    Daniel, thanks for your detailed comments… you’ve shown me a new side of HPL, with his attempts at “evangelization” and his unfair and sloppy disregard toward the supernatural and parapsychology. His “deconstruction” of parapsychology is one of the weakest I’ve ever seen, but it is one that prevails in “skeptic” circles. You’d think these people would be embarrassed for themselves, but they’re too prideful for that, and it makes it nearly impossible to dialogue with them. At any rate, thank you very much for this new information and for your Lovecraftian thoughts.

  10. Daniel Jung


    it´s me again.

    As I mentioned earlier when people don´t believe in God / afterlive / the supernatural that doesn´t mean they believe in nothing.
    They believe / admire (in) scientific progress, Hollywoodstars, that all criminals had a bad childhood and (most important) Internetporn.

    Don´t understand me wrong:
    Science has done great things for humanity, not all porn is evil and most criminals should have the chance to be rehabilitated.

    But all human beings can be tempted and in some cases corrupted.
    G. K. Chesterton once wrote that it would be a mistake to say a Christian in a powerful position couldn´t be corrupted / bribed because he is still a human being.

    That means even when a person says:
    I´ m a Christian / Atheist and that means I´m better / smarter than the rest of you idiots
    that this is not so much true.

    For example:
    Mr. Smith is a christian but he thinks Hitler was right about the Jews and 19 year old Jeremy is an atheist but at school he is mobbing one of his classmates just for fun.

    To say to be a christian or an atheist makes one not automatically the next Einstein or Albert Schweitzer.
    A person can be a 100 % materialist but this person can be still a complete asshole.

    And scientists are not from outer space.
    They are human beings.
    And humans make mistakes and somtimes terrible thinks.
    I read somewhere neuroscientists have found a way to eliminate racism and religious faith in god.
    I hope it´s a dead end because such a discovery can be used in every was imaginable:
    Your child doesn´t act like you want ?
    A little brainwashing will do.
    People in some third world dictatorship are want to resist the tryranny ?
    Thanks to neuroscience brainwashing 2.0 will help.

    I know a lot peope think humanism and ethic will make the world a better place but
    humanism and ethic didn´ t stop Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot or Jeffrey Dahmer doing horrible things.

    Porn is not evil and it´s not wrong to watch porn.
    But we live in the time of the Internet where we have, in my viewpoint, harmless porn (Playboy / Russ Meyer Level) and really, really, really sick, twisted stuff (will damage ones mind for all eternity).

    And the internet has a dark side:
    The existence of peope can be destroyed (cybermobbing), rumors spread like a bushfire and do damage what can´t undone, people think they have to share every thought they have / information about them on Facebook and Twitter, at the dark, dark botton of the www are webpages about things which would make Hieronymus Boschs pictures and the Friday the 13th movies looking like fairy tales for children.

    And about the rehabilitation of criminals:
    It´s important to give Ernest Higgs (car theft) the chance to make a new beginning but Hugo Steves (necrophiliac serial killer, 30 victims) should be left locked up in the asylum for the criminally insane.

    Some time ago I found the book
    A Haunted Mind: Inside the Dark, Twisted World of H.P. Lovecraft
    at amazon.

    The author is Bob Curran and from 9 reviews at amazon is just one positive.

    The following text is from Bob Currans web page:
    Well it’s been a long time. I’ve got a large number of e-mails – including lots of ones from radio stations – asking about me and if and when I’m bringing out a new book. For them many thanks. Others say that I appear to have vanished off the radar and that they want me back as soon as possible. To them many thanks. I do think I owe people an explanation so I’m using this blog to give it.
    The second reason stems from the disagreement I had with some of the Lovecraft set which I had last year. They took exception to something which they imagined and alleged that I had said in my book A Haunted Mind – I had incidentally never said what they alleged but any protests fell on deaf ears – and became very nasty about it. They kindly sent me two computer viruses which I was able to deal with but also a picture of what appeared to be an aborted human foetus. Thus mail was accidentally opened by my 13 year old daughter who was using my computer. This made me seriously question my writing in this area and so I took a bit of a breather to review the situation. I will continue writing but I have to think about the vein in which I do so.

    And thats what I my want to say.
    People who don´t believe in God or the supernatural go batshit insane about things they have chosen to be their new object / person of worship in this case Lovecraft and his work.

    I haven´t read Currans book yet but the fact some people act in such disgusting ways makes me uncomfortable.

    There are no rules of architecture for a castle in the clouds.
    G. K. Chesterton

  11. rennyo01 Post author

    Ah, yes… “the Lovecraft set” – that says it all. They think that unless one adopts HPL’s own materialism/cosmicism, one can’t “get” Lovecraft. Shallow, fundamentalistic minds, aggressive, ignorant, and prejudiced. Sad cases.

    You say, “People who don´t believe in God or the supernatural go batshit insane about things they have chosen to be their new object / person of worship in this case Lovecraft and his work.”
    Yes, – it’s like Carl Jung said, the God-image is embedded in the human psyche but its expression and symbology change with time, e.g., once God was nearly universally conceived to be Spirit, but for a lot of “unbelievers” today, God’s image has simply switched from Spirit to Matter. They’ve traded one God-image for another but are so psychologically naive that they don’t know it, and when they’re told about it, they rudely deny it. Same with their POV on HPL, as you pointed out – he has become the functional equivalent of their Patron Saint who must devotedly – devotionally – be followed (even though most of them do eschew his racism).

    Again, you write, “That means even when a person says: ‘I´ m a Christian / Atheist and that means I´m better / smarter than the rest of you idiots’ that this is not so much true.” Agreed, especially when they unconsciously advertise their atheism just as Christians advertise their Christianity. It wasn’t long ago that I saw a promotion on Facebook for “the Godless Family”, depicting a couple with a baby in a stroller with a single white cross lying on the ground behind them. The bias here is egregious because it identifies God solely with Christianity; it disrespects Christianity by showing the cross on the ground (just try that with the Star of David, the Menorah, the Q’uran, or any other non-Christian religion); and because, in their utter unconsciousness, they don’t realize that giving children an anti-God or no-God teaching is itself a form of semi-religious mind-control and indoctrination. Unconsciousness seems to be one of the prime psychologies of those who actively advertise for or against religion…

    Anyway, thanks for another enjoyable post, and for dropping by the blog.


  12. Daniel Jung


    thanks for your quick answer.

    After the horrifying attacks in Paris committed by islamic terrorists I´m afraid that here in Europe bad times will come.

    Every Day hundreds, thousands of so called refugees cross the borders of Germany, Austria etc. and most of them strong, young men and there are a lot of ISIS sympathizers / agents among them (according to a CIA report).

    The problem with Islam, in my opinion, is that this religion in all the time never made strong advancements.
    Other religions like Christianity, Buddhism and Judaism make advancements.
    Sure there are fundamentalists but they are not the majority.

    And there a lot people which are not terrorists but stand for different dangerous worldviews:
    This day I watched on youtube a trailer for a new TV-Series called ZOO:
    Animals worldwide start attacking / killing humans and then I read some of the comments.

    Here a few examples:

    jeffhardyrules1991 vor 2 Monaten
    Finally! Animals take back what is theirs.

    Wolf Hyena vor 3 Monaten
    Perfect justice for every animal slaughtered for the pleasure of human kind.

    smile2lisa vor 17 Stunden
    +AppleKiss they don’t care who is on top. But the human species deserves that shit. We humans are the plague of the earth destroying it. The worst kind of animals.

    Arttu Turunen vor 1 Monat
    I wanna SEE this in real life HOW humans die from their filthyness and stupidness by animals expecianly by A ant ;D

    walentkane69 vor 2 Monaten
    I hope this will become for real, people deserve this

    bigmouthShortlegs vor 2 Monaten
    are able to read, i have already stated this, were not perfect, and you canot stop it, because it is just in our nature. there really is nothing WRONG with it. its the same as saying its wrong that a cheetah will kill its cub if can not feed, now i wouold say next to 0 % of humans would do that. but is it wrong….no its just its nature. this is existance, there is no right or wrong. because no one wrote the rules, right and wrong is a human concept. and is not relevant to any other being, 

    DeathKitty123456 vor 3 Monaten
    I’ll be sat watching it, knowing it is obviously not real but still cheering the animals on! I wish it were true that animals would turn on their abusers and killers.

    Durban Productions vor 2 Monaten
    I fucking LOVE this!! Yeah baby, its time for the animals to take back their places as the rightful superiors of this world. The human race has gone to SHIT! We have regressed beyond the point of regression and there is no hope for us. Planet of the Apes was brilliant, this is going to be brilliant. No, this is going to be fucking brilliant!!! :D

    So, one comment says there is no right or wrong.
    That meas no one is responsible ?
    Jeffrey Dahmer wasn´t evil or Pol Pot.
    What about all the other serial killers and mass murderers which slaughtered helpless victims ?
    One of the most dangerous things today, in my opnion, is moral skepticism.
    With enough moral skepticism John Wayne Gacy can be turned in a harmless pervert.

    I´m not thinking all criminals are evil but there are evil people.
    People which like to murder, rape and torture.

    Unfortunately a lot people think today with enough love and understanding terrorists, serial killers and drug cartell members can be turned in good citizens and lovers of little kittens.

    At another website I read a comment about that humans are a mistake of nature.

    So, humanity a mistake of nature ?
    Then, why not surrender to the terrorists.
    Why not open the prison gates, releasing all the hardcore criminals to free us from our existence ?

    And to make one thing clear:
    I´m against animal abuse.

    But people which say humanity-sucks-and-deserves-to-be-killed-because-animals-are-better have serious problems.

    Like you said in your answer:
    People which don´t believe in God or the supernatural starting to put their trust in other things:
    Refugees welcome mentality, science, animal rights, hollywood celebrities etc..

    Science and animal rights are not bad.
    But they lead some people to say / believe things like humans just bacteria, animals should take the world back.

    I´m sure ZOO is great Horror TV-Series but that doesn´t mean to hope that in real life animals starting a worldwide genocide on humanity.

    One thing is clear:
    When people choose something, may it be science, animal rights or the idea there is no right or wrong, their belief that this thing is true and gives all the answers they can become fundamentalists (or at least horrible jerks).

    One of the big problems today is that most people not believe anymore in evil.
    I don´t mean Satan or demonic demons.
    I mean people which do evil because they want to.
    Really evil people playing god.
    They decide if their victims should be killed or not.

    For years I read a book written by Tom Segev about the commandants of nazi concentration camps.
    Even today I remember one part of the book:
    In one concentration camp the commandant placed a group of concentration camp prisoners in a row and then shot through them to see how many people he could kill with one bullet.
    For me this always appears like some fantasy from a sadistic cartoon but it really happened.

    The biggest mistake of society nowadays is to ignore / to shrink the fact that some people doing evil things because they feel powerful and good doing these atrocities.

    We have become to feel so safe in our secular, humanistic worldview that the idea of people killing us because they just want and could (ISIS, SS, Mafia) and they don´t need some bullcrap excuses like bad childhood, no ice cream for breakfast etc..

    All those people with their hardcore atheism, naturalism etc. makeing me angry and depressed.

    Even Lovecraft can´t I left uncritized:
    Yes, his works are great but his personal philosophy and worldview are not helpful in any way (besides for misanthropes, Richard Dawkins and his followers and reaaallly horrible jerks).

    There is in Islam a paradox which is perhaps a permanent menace. The great creed born in the desert creates a kind of ecstasy out of the very emptiness of its own land, and even, one may say, out of the emptiness of its own theology. It affirms, with no little sublimity, something that is not merely the singleness but rather the solitude of God. There is the same extreme simplification in the solitary figure of the Prophet; and yet this isolation perpetually reacts into its own opposite. A void is made in the heart of Islam which has to be filled up again and again by a mere repetition of the revolution that founded it. There are no sacraments; the only thing that can happen is a sort of apocalypse, as unique as the end of the world; so the apocalypse can only be repeated and the world end again and again. There are no priests; and yet this equality can only breed a multitude of lawless prophets almost as numerous as priests. The very dogma that there is only one Mahomet produces an endless procession of Mahomets. Of these the mightiest in modern times were the man whose name was Ahmed, and whose more famous title was the Mahdi; and his more ferocious successor Abdullahi, who was generally known as the Khalifa. These great fanatics, or great creators of fanaticism, succeeded in making a militarism almost as famous and formidable as that of the Turkish Empire on whose frontiers it hovered, and in spreading a reign of terror such as can seldom be organised except by civilisation…
    G. K. Chesterton

  13. rennyo01 Post author

    A long time ago, Islam was the carrier of science and culture, from architecture to mathematics to astronomy. Clearly it’s fallen into the wrong hands. Yes, the mass “immigration” into northern Europe is an atrocity for Europeans, a lot of those unwanted, unneeded colonizers are Muslim – but the ultimate blame lies on the culture-betrayers, the elite politicians and “leaders” who deliberately and with the Do Gooder malice of forethought of suicidal altruism, opened the floodgates in an apparent effort to disenfranchise the very people they’re supposed to be serving. When native Swedes, French, etc., stand up for their cultures and traditions they are automatically and immediately labeled as “bigots” and “Nazis”. Europeans need to take back their governments, lands, and traditions, and remind the foreign invaders that _they_ are the odd men out – – the _minority_, and that _majority rule_ is still the standing basis of law and governance. … Yes, HPL’s materialism, coupled with his racism, as you say, are not helpful in any way. But there’s another side to this, when just last week HPL was done an extreme dishonor simply because of his private views:


    To me, that’s going too far in the opposite direction – political correctness gone mad.

    We live in insane times.

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